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欧文2017nba总决赛数据「键盘侠」欧文总决赛表现惊人｜真实实力究竟几何

2020-09-26 09:20:24 来源：互联网

欧文2017nba总决赛数据「键盘侠」欧文总决赛表现惊人｜真实实力究竟几何

In 13 career finals games, Kyrie Irving is averaging 28ppg on near 50/40/90 shooting splits.

欧文职业生涯一共打了13场总决赛，场均得到28分，投篮命中率接近50+40+90。

欧文2017nba总决赛数据「键盘侠」欧文总决赛表现惊人｜真实实力究竟几何(2)

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[–][NYK] Anthony MasonBlueHundred 296 points 20 hours ago

Kyrie is both very overrated and very underrated. Depends who you ask

尼克斯球迷：欧文在被高估得厉害和被低估得厉害之间来回游走，而这两者的答案取决于你问谁。

[–]Trail BlazersCletus_Starfish 80 points 17 hours ago

I call this "Kobe Bryant Syndrome".

开拓者球迷：我将其称为“科比综合症。”

[–]Cavaliersvoyaging 12 points 10 hours ago

It really is very similar. Kobe stans think he's a top 5 all-time player and then haters will say shit like he's not even top 20.

骑士球迷：还真挺像，科比的信徒觉得他是NBA历史前五的球员，然后黑子们狂喷科比，就好像科比根本进不了前20一样。

[–]NBAtrustmeimaengineer 19 points 16 hours ago

I really don't get this sentiment. This sub praises Kyrie's basketball ability, we all know he's great in the playoffs and the finals. The only shit I ever see Kyrie get is for being an idiot off of the basketball court.

我不知道这个帖子开设的目的在哪，这个帖子赞扬了欧文的篮球天赋，但是我们都知道欧文在季后赛和总决赛的能力贼强，我不喜欢欧文的地方主要是在篮球场之外太蠢了。

[–][NYK] Anthony MasonBlueHundred 16 points 16 hours ago

I see it this way. A lot of people rate him as a top 3 PG. And a lot say fringe top 10. Some say a top 10 player and some say otherwise. At least in my experience

尼克斯球迷：我是这么看的，很多人将他视为前三的控球后卫，也有很多人说他在控卫里排名前十左右，有些人说他是联盟前十球员，但是也有些人说他不是，所以这个帖子就出来了。

[–][UTA] Joe InglesNitroXYZ 522 points 23 hours ago

Yeah for all his faults you cant deny that Kyrie is always there to step up in the big moments.

爵士球迷：是的，尽管他有很多错误，但是你不能否认欧文总是能在巨星时刻中有巨大提升。

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumIntergalacticWZRD[S] 205 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea with his personality and some of the stuff he says. But I find it kinda ridiculous when people still say he’s not good enough to be a top option on a contender. Offensively he’s absolutely good enough to be the focal point of an offense.

凯尔特人球迷：是的，我知道因为他的个性以及他说的某些话使得他不怎么遭人喜欢，但是当人们说他不够格成为总冠军竞争球队的头号选择时就有些荒谬了，在进攻端他绝对能成为球队的门面的。

[–]NeoBey 44 points 20 hours ago

People say that because he is always going to depend on a secondary play maker. He can’t run an offense on his own, and his time in Cleveland, both with and without LeBron, has proved it.

Even when the Cavs were stacked, the team would routinely fall apart when LeBron took a breather and Kyrie was tasked with running things,

If he’s the #1, it better be a really damn good team 2-8 if he’s going to contend.

人们说这话的原因是因为他的能力取决于第二持球手，他不能自己运转一个进攻体系，就在他在克利夫兰的那段时间里，在没有勒布朗和有勒布朗的时间段里都证明了这一点。

即使骑士阵容齐全，球队也会在勒布朗喘息休息、欧文运转进攻时一落千丈。

如果他是第一选择并且准备追逐冠军的话，那支球队的第二到第八人都得足够优秀。

[–]Celticsnot_Brendan 46 points 18 hours ago

Celtics are in a really good place to minimize that. We can easily have at least one of Gordon Hayward, Al Horford, or Marcus Smart out there for facilitating duties, and at least one of Terry Rozier, Jayson Tatum, or Gordon Hawyard for scoring playmaking duties.

凯尔特人球迷：凯尔特人在这方面能最小化欧文的劣势，我们可以很轻松得让海沃德、霍福德或者斯马特其中的一个去执行功能性任务，或者会让罗齐尔、塔图姆或者海沃德承担持球得分的任务。

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[–][MIA] Wayne EllingtonJewRepublican69 24 points 18 hours ago

Yeah it really is the LeBron effect.

In no way is Kyrie a bad playoff performer by any means. But his "clutch playoff assassin!!" reputation is overstated and a byproduct of literally one shot.

1) For his career in standard crunchtime settings in the playoffs Kyrie is a 28% shooter. Ive looked these stats up for many players that 28% figure is bottom level amongst stars this century. For ex CP3 scores at about 2X the rate that Kyrie does in such situations.

2) The privilege of playing with LeBron meant that people only focused on Kyrie's good playoff moments and whenever he didn't play well it got overlooked or if they lost all the blame went to LeBron

a) The first 2 games of the 2016 and 2017 NBA Finals: Kyrie averages 20 PPG on 45% TS. Look at the history of teams down 2-0: their success rate isn't much higher than being down 3-1 we just only remember the cases when teams come back from it(like in 2016). Ie sucking the first two games of the Finals matters.

b) First two rounds of the 2017 NBA playoffs: 50% TS. But LeBron goes HAM those two series and the Cavs sweep so nobody says anything.

c) In game 6 of the 2016 NBA Finals Kyrie was AWFUL the 2nd half. 1/7 for 3 points. The Cavs were doing all they could to have a 2015 Game 6 LAC vs HOU type collapse as a 24 point lead got cut to 8 early in the 4th. But LeBron goes king kong mode so nobody notices or cares about Kyrie.

d) The first 4 games of the 2015 East Semis vs Chicago: Kyrie 18 PPG 36% FG. But LeBron hits a GW to prevent Cle from going down 3-1 and bails everybody out so NBD.

For perspective: Kyrie the "playoff assassin stats" in playoffs: 24/5/3 57% TS. James Harden the "playoff choker!!": 28/7/5 57% TS while in Hou in the playoffs. Kyrie benefits from people just loving his style of play

热火球迷：

实际上这都会“勒有引力”的结果。

尽管说欧文是一个不好的季后赛发挥者是没有道理的，但是他的“关键杀手”称号明显是过誉了。

1. 从他的职业生涯来看，季后赛他在关键时刻出手的比重只占球队的28%，这个数据在明星球员中实际上排名很低了，举个例子，曾经的保罗出手比重在相同的条件下是欧文的两倍

2. 这是与勒布朗-詹姆斯打球的偏见会让人们只注意到欧文季后赛高光时刻，但是只要打得不好就会被忽略过去或者把锅都给詹姆斯

a）2016和2017年总决赛的前两场比赛：欧文场均只有20分，真实命中率不过45%，然后球队0-2落后，我们只记得最后翻盘，但是却没人能注意到总决赛前两场欧文打得并不好。

b）2017年季后赛前两轮：欧文真实命中率不过50%，但是勒布朗天神下凡，这两轮系列赛骑士横扫过关，所以也没人说啥。

c）在2016年总决赛第六场欧文实际上下半场发挥极其糟糕，三分球七中一，要知道骑士差点遭遇当年快船对阵火箭第六场的结局崩盘，他们一度领先24分，但是最后在第四节被追到只差8分，但是勒布朗开启皇帝模式所以也没人注意到欧文发挥很糟糕。

d）2015年东部半决赛对阵公牛的前四场比赛：欧文36%的命中率得到18分，但是勒布朗命中绝杀并且防止球队1-3落后，所以又没人注意到欧文的发挥。

最后再上一个数据吧：欧-季后赛杀手-文季后赛场均24+5+3，真实命中率57%，哈-季后赛辣鸡-登场均28+7+5，真实命中率57%（火箭阶段），欧文因为他的球风真是吸粉太多。

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[–]Knicks10_zing 243 points 23 hours ago